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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Sep 26, 2011 7:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Favorite Fall 1972 Show

Well here we are nearly 40 years later from one of my favorite time periods for the dead. TDIH's have been popping up for the past month and likely will continue to do so but I want to know, whats your favorite fall 72 show, and why.

Off the top of my head, I think 1972-09-21 and 1972-10-18 take the cake. But there is so much left from this tour I haven't heard.

Spill your guts please...

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Sep 27, 2011 5:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Favorite Fall 1972 Show

If I was forced to pick just once, 10/18 would probably be it.

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Poster: Jim F Date: Sep 27, 2011 12:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Favorite Fall 1972 Show

All around, I'd vote for 9/21. But I really love the Dark Star from 9/24, I've probably listened to that more than anything from that Fall. I'm also a big fan of the 9/3 Other One and the big jam from 12/15.

I'd like to give an honorable mention to 10/28, because it was the first "Philo Stomp" I'd ever heard, and is probably still my favorite. Great 'Star all around.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Sep 26, 2011 8:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Favorite Fall 1972 Show (astrophysics explored)

"Implosion is a process in which objects are destroyed by collapsing on themselves. The opposite of explosion, implosion concentrates matter and energy.

In an implosion-type nuclear weapon design, a sphere of plutonium, uranium, or other fissile material is imploded by a spherical arrangement of explosive charges. This decreases the material's volume and thus increases its density by a factor of two to four, causing it to "go critical" and create a nuclear explosion.

Implosion is a key part of the gravitational collapse of large stars, which can lead to the creation of supernovae, neutron stars and black holes."


I really dig the second set jam suite from the performance in Long Beach on 12/15/72. Particularly a few rather amazing moments of music during the outro of Truckin' where the band explores the theory of astrophysics:

After a bit of a rough start on Truckin', the band quickly abandons the theme. Garcia briefly initiates a blues riff before steering the band into a very eerie and unique Space theme...

Listen in at about 4:35 of the Truckin' Jam and hear Jerry bending and holding notes like Carlos Santana. This then sets off a "chain reaction" and things start to "go critical" at 4:50 with Phil "backing in" to some wild sounding ordinance that I have never heard him play before or since this performance. These unique notes are like reverse Phil Bombs, implosions if you will. Listen closely and you can actually hear gravity collapsing as matter and energy are concentrated and the band enters into a black hole we know as Dark Star...

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1972-12-15.sbd.yerys.2329.sbeok.shnf

There are better shows during late '72, but none are more unique than this gem of a performance. Some issues with the channels and mixing remain, but these eventually get straightened out, and the Gans sourced remaster sounds excellent. It might be the clearest and most brilliant transfer of any show from the Fall of 1972.

The first set is a bit lackluster, the playing is a bit rough at times, but the band rallys for a phenomenal jazzed out performance of Playin' in the Band. This one is huge, typical of late '72. It's a furious tempest, driven more by the playing of Keith, but woven with some amazing and intense Garcia passages. In spite of a cut of undetermined length, this 18 minute rendition rivals the best performances of the song from 1972.

The second set, though is dynamite! He's Gone is very well jammed, and of course the jam suite is truly amazing. In particular, the 13 minute pre-verse passage of Dark Star is extraordinary.

Once again it's Keith initiating the play, this time accompanied by Billy, before Garcia loosely introduces the theme. Phil than steers the band into a more structured jazzy segment with Keith and Weir eventually joining him. There are two very cool Garcia led jams and some very lovely Keith/Jerry interplay prior to the first verse.

After the somewhat tentative first verse, things get rather spacey and atonal, matter seeming to move inwards as the band is swirls into the vortex. A dark and eerie feedback segment preceeds an amazing transition into Morning Dew, though the band seems spent at this point, perhaps drained by time travel...

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Sep 26, 2011 6:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Favorite Fall 1972 Show (astrophysics explored)

well this is a different style post from ya. Thanks, I will check that out.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Sep 26, 2011 6:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Favorite Fall 1972 Show (astrophysics explored)

Hardly, I guess you have not been here very long...

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Sep 26, 2011 6:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Favorite Fall 1972 Show (astrophysics explored)

spare me cliff.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Sep 26, 2011 6:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Favorite Fall 1972 Show (astrophysics explored)

Go fuck yourself!

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Sep 26, 2011 12:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Favorite Fall 1972 Show (astrophysics explored)

I guess i know what i'll be listening to tonite. Very nice write up, looking forward to the revisit, altho i'm not sure i have the Gans source that you linked, i think it's the other source ... on the other hand, i probably have both

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Sep 26, 2011 8:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Favorite Fall 1972 Show (astrophysics explored)

Hey Cliff I downloaded the Hollister source for this show a while back , since he claims that the Gans source is a "train wreck" b/c of dropouts, diginoise and being fast. Despite this would you recommend the clarity of the Gans transfer is still worth having over Hollister?

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Sep 26, 2011 8:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Favorite Fall 1972 Show (astrophysics explored)

Do an A/B analysis and let us know!

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Sep 26, 2011 10:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Favorite Fall 1972 Show (astrophysics explored)

Well then, I listened to about 30 sec. each of Playing In The Band and He's Gone and I could tell right away. As much as I'd prefer a cleaned up, pitch corrected source, Hollister sounds totally flat compared to Gans - no contest, Gans is the winner!

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Poster: derf315 Date: Sep 26, 2011 8:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Favorite Fall 1972 Show

9/28 is perhaps my favorite show. It is always in my top 5 and never fails to deliver. The fact that there is an exceptional soundboard out there helps as well.

This was one of the first shows I taped from the radio!!! I came in from an early lunch at boarding school and turned on the local college radio station. ( sorry, can't remember the station) Some kid at the local college in Maine had a slot every Thursday or so around lunch and played this beauty. He gave it a good lead-in and I broke into the crisp cellophane of a new XLII and hit record right as he started the tape. I had to go to class, so I managed to make the flip right before I had to go. Glad I did.

A strong Bertha opens. There is a pretty " Greatest Story " with a nice St. Stephen riff in the jam sequnce.This is all childsplay before the delivery of a damn special package.

He's Gone>The Other One> Me and Bobby Mcgee> Other One> Wharf Rat offers the best hours or so of Dead music that I could ever hope for. I love every minute of this jam but the last ending notes of Wharf Rat send me floating gentley down a river on my back, looking up at the stars. A tremendous journey!! I think this show gets a bit overlooked by 9/27 and a host of others from 72 but this is just a solid, solid show.

As to add an extra cherry on top...The guy's radio slot had some time to kill so he added the jam from Louisville '74 to fill the rest of the 45 mins of the tape. It made a nice companion to fill the tape. There were a whole lot of tapes traded with all these little local touches to them. They don't tend to make it here on the Archive.

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Sep 26, 2011 8:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Favorite Fall 1972 Show

Honestly i haven't listened to fall '72 on a regualr basis for least a year. I strongly prefer '73-'74 these days and i've been pretty lost in those years, with a smattering of late '60s stuff for good measure.

If i had to pick though, i think 9/21 takes the cake. The Dark Star is probably my favorite of 1972, or maybe ever. And I like the September shows best when it comes to fall '72.

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Sep 26, 2011 9:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Favorite Fall 1972 Show

DP 36 for many reasons. I'll elaborate later today. Need to listen to a few tracks first.

1972-10-18 is very very well played, but not nearly enough jamming for me to consider it the best show of fall '72. I like the fact that DP 36 clocks in at 4 hrs 39 min, although 3 songs are from a different show.

very cool suggestion cliff. can't wait to check that out

This post was modified by rdenirojb87 on 2011-09-26 16:02:12

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Sep 26, 2011 10:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Favorite Fall 1972 Show

I could not say I have a favorite show,but I will say that Sept-Dec 72' represents the GD at the peak of their powers.If you were to investigate their performances of the more jam oriented material you would find 42 extraordinary performances of the big 3,Dark Star,Playin' and the Other One,amongst those 7 all-time versions of those songs.
Dark Star-9/24
Playin'-10/9 11/15 11/18
Other One-9/15 9/28 12/10

Add to that 11 extraordinary Bird Songs and about 90 very good to extraordinary performances of the rest of the catalog in a 41 show span and you have a pretty fine output.During those four months I find Keith's playing to be at it's high point for his tenure with the band,and Jerry never had that psychedelic quality to his sound again.

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Sep 26, 2011 11:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Favorite Fall 1972 Show

Couldn't agree more about Keith's work in the band during this time. With Pig's declining health I think he really felt the pressure to make his presence known.

What would you consider other standout dark stars?

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Sep 26, 2011 11:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Favorite Fall 1972 Show

Here are 6 that I consider all-time versions:

6/7/69
8/3/69-with guest saxophonist and violinist(not to everyone's liking)
5/18/72
7/18/72
3/28/73
12/6/73

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Sep 26, 2011 6:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Favorite Fall 1972 Show

thanks for your input jer. I agree with all of that. except for the fact that you left out 9/21 and 11-13's dark star and 9-3, 9-17's other one. As my grandpa would say "boy you out cho damn mine!". I like 12-10's other one, but i dont think its as good as either 9-3 or 9-17. As for playin's I can't say.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Sep 26, 2011 10:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Favorite Fall 1972 Show

Not enough jamming in 10-18-72? It has more jamming than 10-17 and 10-19 combined...

I have a soft spot for 11-13-72, strictly for the very dark & intense Dark Star>Dew. (The rest of the second set is basically filler.)
Though the Dead may not have been playing with him in mind, it's easy to hear this as a kind of elegy for the Allmans' bass player Berry Oakley, who'd died two days before. (The Allmans were supposed to tour with the Dead in the Texas shows the following week.) The Dead didn't play Morning Dew again until 12/15.

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Sep 26, 2011 11:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Favorite Fall 1972 Show

"Not enough jamming in 10-18-72? It has more jamming than 10-17 and 10-19 combined... "

I'm not comparing 10-18 to the other Fox Theatre shows. All 3 of them don't have a lot of jamming. I'm picking my favorite fall '72 show and for me that requires more than the standard amount of jamming. 10-18-72 has a nice DS and a nice short PITB. Other than that, most songs are only in the 5 minute range and are pretty standard versions. The quality of playing in all 3 Fox Theatre shows is way up there, but I can't consider any of them the best fall '72 show.

DP 36 is my favorite right now mostly due to the DS>Dew, but I find the whole show to be way above average. So many highlights for me and I love the setlist as well.

Even DP36 which I picked, is only my favorite right now. When it comes to the Dead my favorites are constantly changing for the most part.

This post was modified by rdenirojb87 on 2011-09-26 18:14:28

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Sep 26, 2011 7:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Favorite Fall 1972 Show

I think I see what you mean, you seem to be referring to setlists. They only had a handful of real "jam" songs in late 1972, so most shows tended to have the same amount of jamming, except the ones that had less...
A few shoot the works, though - 9/21 for instance, the second set starts with He's Gone>Truckin', neither of which were played on 10/18. (And 9/21 is, of course, a much longer show.) But much the same short five-minute tunes bulked up the setlists on any given night; and that tendency would become even more extreme in early '73...

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Sep 26, 2011 6:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Favorite Fall 1972 Show

man I played the 11-13 ds > dew the other day while riding in a coach bus through scenic parts of SW wisconsin. It was a cosmic 40ish minutes. Its gotta be a top 3 version of the ds > dew sequence, right?

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Sep 26, 2011 6:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Favorite Fall 1972 Show

while not as long, time wise, the playin > drums > DS > Dew > playin is one of the best jams of all 72. Jamming is not only based on time but also the route thats taken. I can't think of a cooler jam sequence than that from all of 72. And if it looks good on paper, just wait til ya hear it.

Sorry, but I must badger those who don't strictly hype 10-18. MUHAHAHAHHA

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Poster: Skobud Date: Sep 26, 2011 9:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Favorite Fall 1972 Show

Hands down favs for me

11/17/72
11/19/72
12/11/72

All three of these are monsters in their own right.

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Poster: snori Date: Sep 26, 2011 2:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Favorite Fall 1972 Show

I'll second 19/11. In my early trading days I got a high quality cassete of this show and I've had a soft spot for it ever since. I'd also shout out for the two September Waterbury shows (23rd & 24th)